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May 17, 2021 @ 12:01 am

Episode 98: Judith Warner on middle-grade, and on handling perfectionism in writing

When we booked author Judith Warner on the show, we had a lot of questions for her about what writers (especially kid, YA and middle-grade fiction writers) need to know about middle-school friendship, and how that period affects the rest of our lives and our friendships. Judith's new book, And Then They Stopped Talking to Me: Making Sense of Middle School, touches on the important role that this middle-grade period has in all our lives and our friendships.

Judith talks brilliantly and clearly on that topic, but we go so much wider and deeper in this interview. She talks about how she manages her perfectionism, and when it spirals into a form of OCD. It's a struggle a lot of writers deal with, and we appreciated having this open discussion.

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Theme music is "It's Time" by Scaricá Ricascá

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